"I'm just doin' me job mate. Now that will be £260 to take it off."Following on from the last article about Ben Erhman's questionable journalistic techniques, the discussion seems to be polarised into 2 camps: The 'Disgusted of Tumbridge Wells' camp in which I'm proudly toasting my marshmallows on a stick, and the 'He's just doing his job' camp that Dr Blue has pitched his tent in.
Doing his job eh?
That doesn't actually reconcile with his industry's code of ethics.
It's from an American association of professional journalists, but seeing as it offers comprehensive guidance, and is actually written by journalists, you can't really argue with it.
I quote:
"Avoid undercover or other surreptitious methods of gathering information except when traditional open methods will not yield information vital to the public. Use of such methods should be explained as part of the story"Claiming to have attended a university you haven't, or to have attended a girl's school isn't open is it? How about:
"Recognize that private people have a greater right to control information about themselves than do public officials and others who seek power, influence or attention. Only an overriding public need can justify intrusion into anyone’s privacy."
I don't know about you, but there is no conceivable situation in which Ben Erhman, using this 'technique' could possibly uncover anything I need to know. You may be interested in this story which is your prerogative, but don't tell me what titillates you is in the public interest to know.
Would anyone here like to claim they have either a need or a right to know what Kate McCann was like as a flatmate in university 15 years ago? Go on, I dare you.
Secondly, the fate of the little girl is uncertain and this should be respected. Conjecture helps no one.
Thirdly, do you really think that asking a cohort of 40 year old doctors for gossip is going to yield anything that he actually wants to print? These people are not going to volunteer any significant 'dirt' or reveal a significant insight into the person in question because the GMC would be rather interested I'm sure. Unlike a journalist, a doctor's code of ethics isn't voluntary, and the sanctions are extreme for those who transgress. The bloke is obviously a lazy fuckwit.
He could always just play News Makey-Uppy like most of his colleagues. After all, you wouldn't want to let the facts get in the way of a good story.
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I don't know. When doctors are let off 24 hour on call they don't play golf anymore. They go blogging. You couldn't make it up.
You know my views on this whole business - you have your views I have mine. We agree to differ. That's what's known as civilised. Neither your life nor mine depends on it, so we can reach that agreeement.
There are going to be some thoroughly unpleasant stories coming out about the McCanns soon. About their private life. Despite what I think of them - which you already know - I am going to avoid those stories like the plague. They are not relevant to the issue at hand. But millions will want to know about them. "Everyone wants to know" is a standard justification thrown out by journalists and their editors when they're being disreputable. They are deliberately confusing two differen concepts for their own convenience:
The Public Interest
and
Things the public are interested in.
Note use of capitals.
Just because you want to be titillated by something doesn't give you a right to that titillation.
Exactly the same as: just because you want to go out on the piss doesn't give you a right to leave three toddlers alone six nights in a row - the same applies to the rest of that group; they all did that.
The press have a quite interesting enough story if they just stick to the details of the case itself without surreptitiously delving into stuff they have no business knowing.
Doc, we can say we don't know what happened to that poor little girl; and you can also say what didn't happen to her: she wasn't abducted.
Seeing as the account on FU you're most concerned about was deleted, and seeing as he's since been extremely open and honest about what he's after, I really think this is a total non-story. Journalist seeks information - fucking hell, the world is about to end!
Where were you when they were muck-raking on Robert Murat?
Vicky
Yes, exactly. I had intended adding on exactly that about Robert Murat, but forgot.
Thank you.
Seems muckraking is fine, regardless of methods used, provided the target is some people and not others.
I still don't want to read about it though, when it all starts spilling out. I want the media to concentrate on what exactly happened to Madeleine and who did it.
Perhaps I'm one of the few people in this country who doesn't know all the seedy details of Diana Spencer's private life? I refused to read press stories about it, and as I don't have a telly, I couldn't inadvertently catch any of it.
I refused to 'mourn' too. I didn't know her: why should I mourn?
This, the type of stuff the Portuguese press is publishing, is the sort of stuff I want the British press to do. I'm not interested in their sex lives and suchlike, which seems to be what the British press is trying to get info about (unless they are into stuff that DOES frighten the horses and involve the kids, or coercion in any way - but I don't think that sort of stuff for a minute).
I apologise in advance for the length of this comment. I do, however, think people will find it at least interesting.
"" Translation by Astro [[Astro is a Portuguese citizen who posts translations of what the Portuguese pres are saying]]
in Sol paper edition, September 15:
PJ reconstitutes crime
The police is convinced that the McCann couple had someone's help
article by Felicia Cabrita
translation by summer
The Policia Judiciaria (PJ) will soon make the reconstitution of the events that took place on the night that Madeleine McCann disappeared. It's an essential diligence in order to clarify the various contradictions that the group of nine let pass right in their first statements. If Maddie was in fact murdered, the McCanns could not have hidden the cadaver alone - which means they had to have the help from a third party.
In order to reconstruct the night of May 3, it's essential to count on the participation of the McCann couple and the group of British friends, with whom they were spending their holidays at the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz. But at this moment, authorities cannot guarantee that they can arrange for the entire group to come to Portugal, at the same time.
PJ is convinced that Madeleine McCann is dead, that Kate and Gerry are somehow involved and that the cadaver was concealed. But it is still unclear what happened exactly.
Airplanes before the dogs
Besides the reconstitution of that night, PJ wants to verify the only routes that the McCann family and their friends knew, which derived from their daily routine. The first leads to a vacant terrain, behind the Milenio restaurant; the second one was usually made to go to the beach. Both routes have already been trailed by the sniffer dogs.
One of the relevant testimonies within this investigation is the one from Martin Smith, an Irishman who resides in Luz and who says that, on the night of May 3, he crossed ways with a man who was carrying a child. She seemed to be asleep, and both were going in the direction of the beach.
The investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine suffered a turnaround in late July, with the arrival in Portugal of highly specialized equipment and of the British police's sniffer dogs.
Before the dogs went onto the terrain, an airplane which is equipped with temperature and infrared rays cameras made a complete `sweep' of the area from the Ocean Club until the cliffs. The infrared cameras detect the existence of land shifts (in England, they have detected cadavers under cement) and the temperature that leads to the resort's back area.
This window had curtains that were removed and analysed by police, and a small blood sample was detected. Both the curtains and the wall where it was located at, had been washed.
If the information that the Irish citizen gave to Sol three months ago is confirmed, the child was wearing pink pyjamas, and Smith noticed no blood stains. Whatever happened to Maddie, didn't provoke a large bloodshed.
Contradictions and refusals to answer
In the interrogations to which they were subject, last week, in the offices of Policia Judiciaria in Portimao, Maddie's parents were confronted not only with the collected evidence, but also with the contradictions between their first statements, right after the child's disappearance, and those by their friends.
One of the issues that has yet to be clarified is the fact that both Russell O'Brien and Matthew Oldfield said they left the restaurant, where all of them were having dinner on the evening of May 3 around 9.20 p.m, and Russell came back 5 minutes before Kate gave the alert to the disappearance of her daughter - which was confirmed to Sol by the Tapas restaurant's employees.
The staff also declared that they didn't see Gerry McCann leaving to check on his children's welfare, contrary to what Gerry said himself.
Kate and Gerry ended up being constituted arguidos in the inquiry. Sol knows that both refused to answer a significant amount of questions that the Judiciaria believes to be determinant and of high criminal relevance - thus contradicting their stance of cooperating with the process.
THE FACTS
1. Madeleine McCann, according to her parents, disappeared on May 3, 2007, at 10 p.m., from the Ocean Club
2. The last persons to see Maddie alive were her parents
3. All the clues to a possible abduction were checked by the PJ. After three months, the abduction theory was put aside
4. At this moment, PJ thinks the child is dead
5. Kate and Gerry McCann were constituted arguidos, after failing (and in some cases, refusing) to answer determinant questions of high criminal relevance. They have therefore passed into the status of suspects
THE EVIDENCE
1. In the Ocean Club Apartment
a) cadaver odour was detected by the English dogs behind a couch in the living room, close to a window that leads to the apartment's back area
b) blood (a very small amount) on that window's curtains; the curtains and the wall were washed
c) collected fingerprints belong only to the couple and their friends; there are no fingerprints from Robert Murat, the case's first arguido
d) searches with dogs in the other apartments of the same block at the resort did not yield these results, only the McCann's
The cadaver odour that was detected by the dogs indicates that the parents were with Madeleine after her death, and therefore must know what happened. This because, as they say, they were in the apartment until dinner time, at 8.30 p.m. It takes at least two hours for a corpse to release odours that can be detected by the dogs
2. In the Renault Scenic car (rented by the McCanns on May 27)
a) cadaver odour was detected by the dogs
b) a very reduced sample of human fluid, in the car boot. After being analysed in Birmingham, this fluid registered, according to the PJ's director, Alipio Ribeiro, results that do not allow a 100% correspondence with Maddie's genetic profile
c) hair that is compatible with Maddie's genetic profile; there is doubt about whether they landed there by `transference'
3. In the Vista Mar villa (rented by the McCanns)
a) cadaver odour, detected by the dogs on clothes that belong to Kate, and on the pink soft toy
b) an English book, normally used by police, that focuses on the different types of crimes, as well as on what clues should be looked for to identify its perpetrators
c) a bible, on Kate's bedside table, open at the Old Testament, at the passage that tells the death of King David's son (God punished David with the death of his son, in order to force him away from sin and to return onto the path of good)
d) Kate's diary, in which she writes about daily difficulties, in dealing with her children
4. Contradictions between the couple's statements and those of their friends
a) Gerry says during dinner he got up to check on his children; restaurant staff says only two people from the group left the dinner table and those were Russell O'Brien and Matthew Oldfield
b) Russell arrived late for dinner and left at some point: he said his daughter had vomited and he was waiting for someone to change the bedsheets; the hotel staff say nobody requested clean bedsheets
c) Jane, Russell's wife, says she saw a man passing on the resort's street, carrying a child. An Irishman, who was at the same time in the same spot, says he saw nobody pass ""
That evidence makes the McCanns look pretty guilty. I'm amazed they were allowed home and not banged up in a Portugese jail.
And I think the journalist trying to discover more should be applauded. he might just save the lives of the two other McCann children before their parents murder them, dispose of the bodies, encourage media involvement, and raise millions in a fraudulent 'find the McCann baby' fundraiser.
I say good on Ben Ehrman.
Claiming to have attended a university you haven't, or to have attended a girl's school isn't open is it?
actually claiming to have attended a girls' school while calling yourself Ben isn't particularly 'deceitful', let's call it 'inept'. And I doubt he was really 'claiming' anything, as opposed to signing up to get names and paying to be able to send messages to the people whose names he found. It's all a bit unsavoury but if I were the Torygraph I'd simply want a better class of investigative reporter.
Commenting on the McCann Story is almost as good at generating response as an ME article.
Anyway, we've got some meaty medicine up now- The Wanless report and its damning evidence of how the NHS has squandered taxpayer's billions.
Yes, dr blue. Didn't he say they were squandered on GPs?
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