Wednesday, October 17, 2007

Evidence Expert is Expert of Nothing

There is a new kind of fundamentalism creeping its way onto the medical scene, it is Evidence Based Medicine Fundamentalism. NICE are a centralised organisation that demonstrate this kind of fundamentalism very well indeed with their never ending protocols and guidelines. In fact NICE have recently been in the news with their frankly stupid osteoporosis guidelines, they continue to restrict the prescribing power of specialists while empowering the incompetent PCTs. Numerous specialists have come out against NICE on this issue and the National Osteoporosis Society has gathered thousands of signatures in a petition against NICE's proposals.

This is hardly the first time that NICE has tried to enforce their flawed interpretation of scientific evidence upon the whole medical community. NICE has become a political rationing machine and is undermining good medical practice based on the scientific evidence. On many occasions NICE is dictating its guidelines to top specialists in that particular field, when these guidelines have been crafted by people who are very far from being experts in this field. In this way moronic centralised totalitarianism is replacing local excellence.

The man photographed is Professor Paul Galsziou, a Professor of Evidence Based Medicine, and the reason that he is being mentioned alongside the fundamentalists of NICE is a recent piece that he wrote in the BMJ. Prof Glasziou, a GP by trade, elected to treat a radial head fracture without seeking advice from the local specialists because he thought that a quick literature search would be good enough:

"I went to the Clinical Queries section of PubMed Central (which is bookmarked on my Firefox toolbar) and used the narrow version of the "therapy" filter (which filters for randomised trials). I entered search terms to describe the condition "fracture and radial and head," which brought up seven studies. Two of these studies were not trials and three were not relevant (two looked at different types of internal fixation, and one looked at different methods of reduction), which left two that were relevant. I used the most recent study (2002)1 because it was more relevant to this patient's problem and I had access to the full text. I had access only to the abstract of the second trial,2 but this seemed to be consistent with the findings of the first trial. My search took only a few minutes."
So here we have it, he performed a quick literature search and only read one paper in full; he then felt adequately prepared to have a crack at treating his patient. Professor Glasziou is demonstrating the NICE tendency towards Evidence Based fundamentalism here, shown by his rather naive and arguably dangerous assumption that anyone can manage specialist problems that they have minimal or no experience of by performing a quickie Internet search. This consultant plastic and hand surgeon sums up rather well how low Professor Glasziou has sunk.

There are so many flaws in Professor Glasziou's approach that it is hard to know where to start, whether it be his assumption that the radiology report is correct or his belief that clinical experience of a specialty is unimportant compared to the 'evidence'. Anyone working in a particular specialty will tell you that you need years of experience of that specialty before you can go about understanding the evidence, let alone managing individual cases based on the evidence. Unfortunately for the standard of medicine in this country, the government is intent on cutting costs by shunting work away from the properly trained to the inadequately trained, and the likes of Prof Glasziou will back them up with his flawed take on the evidence. As one consultant respondent commented:

"There is a very pernicious process at work indeed when a family specialist feels able to write an article in the BMJ about fracture immobilisation. That process involves, along with generic referrals, practice-based commissioning, exceptional treatment panels and much more, the total dumbing down of British medicine."


32 comments:

Anonymous said...

does this mean the rant team are against the current drive to have diabetic patients managed by GPs rather than consultants? including the most unstable diabetics who have always needed consultant care in the past? do the rant team think a GP "with a special insterest in diabetis" is a good replacement for a consultant led service? do the rant team think specialist nurses should be changing insulin types without consultant involvement?

just trying to clarify if you have these feelings for all specialities?

Dr Rant said...

No to all of the above.

GPs can help, as can practice nurses, but there should be no hinderence to referral to secondary care if necessary, or even (whisper it) if they choose to (unless of course they are a total looney).

Hope that's clear.

Dr Blue said...

The issue is how much experience of cases you have. There's so much Diabetes around now that GPs see enough of it to learn how to treat it well- both from the books and in practice.

That said we need consultant back up and the current attempt to replace/ reduce consultants with "GPwSI" is misbegotten and woeful.

However commisssioning groups may try just this strategy to save NHS some cash.

Anonymous said...

i think we may agree, not how its implemented by the nhs down my neck of the woods but hey ho

on a philopical note "The issue is how much experience of cases you have" is exactly the argument the nurse practioners use to defend their right to precribe etc, which often gets critiqued by docs as "if you want to precribe you should got to medical school"

seems GPs can learn by experience in a mystical way nurses cannot

any of you set up in private practise yet? cannot be long surely?

Anonymous said...

and the winner of the worst spelling of the year on dr rant is me!

Dr Brown said...

learning from experience requires a solid foundation of basic knowledge, a medical degree provides this, at least the proper old fashioned ones do!

without the proper background knowledge, it is harder to learn from experience as you do not have the underlying knowledge from first principles to fall back on,

that's my opinion anyway

Anonymous said...

of course the consultants could say that learning from experience requires the solid foundation of the post grad work etc they were forced to do

do think this gets us anywhere

but i do think the general point about dumbing down the whole skills base is wrong, but its happening in schools too with teaching assistants running classes, in the police with 16 year old PCSOs walking the street instead of proper coppers

the a&e charge nurse said...

Dr Brown - how does the "underlying knowledge" hypothesis fit in with the Profs cavalier style ?

Does the Prof posess a hard copy of the radiograph in order to diagnose if there is a surgical problem, or not ?

Is he actually competent to perform a therapeutic joint aspiration if there is a large/bloody elbow effusion causing pain++ on AROM ?

Does he have the physio expertise to deal with loss of full elbow extension [a fairly common complication after bony union] - in fact, how will he ensure that other potential complications, such as nonunion, malunion, etc are detected, then appropriately managed ?

Maybe he thought it was OK to use the net to decide on management of a simple radial head injury while failing to pick up the most easily missed fracture [the 2nd fracture, of course].

Not even ENPs are daft enough to advocate the sort of approach being trumpeted by the clever and well read Professor.

Anonymous said...

Why all the emphasis on a possible "dodgy" radiology report.
If it were reported by a consultant, and if I was a radiologist, then I'd be a bit ticked off that my colleagues think that my work was somehow more open to being "wrong" than any other speciality consultant (or GP). Having said that, the esteemed Professor is clearly talking out of his ****, and the problem of course is that his type of medical educationalist are the ones responsible for a number of other "dumbing down" issues, the most recent examples including MMC competencies and the like.

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Anonymous said...

When a GP sees a patient with an unusual condition two strategies are open to her/him, each with the possibility of being wrong, making it four options in all:

a) Correctly decide to treat the patient in his surgery, using his knowledge and clinical skills
a1) Run the risk of incorrectly deciding to treat the patient and realising later that this was a mistake
b) Correctly refer the patient for further investigation and possible treatment to a specialist
b1) Incorrectly refer the patient, thus shirking his responsibilities, and overloading secondary care facilities

If a) S/he may well decide to back up his clinical judgment and treatment plan with a quick search of e.g. PubMed and have his/her judgment confirmed. What’s wrong with that?
If a1) Do likewise (check e.g. PubMed) to reduce the risk of incorrect treatment plan (for which he may later be told off (at least) or sued by the patient)
If b) Do a quick search on e.g. PubMed to justify the referral
If b1) Shirk his responsibilities: GPs are there to treat what in their judgement is treatable in a GP setting. That’s why we have a primary care service to act as a kind of marshalling yard.

None of this demeans the role of specialist in appropriate referrals. In the judgment of the GB this was not required in this case.

EBM does come into the Glasziou scenario; he just tried to back up his hunch (clinical judgement) with a literature search, which, as he demonstrates, can be done in 2007 in near-real time. Nobody questioned his choice of treatment for this particular patient.

What actually is the criticism of some of the cowardly anonymous contributors on this absurd list? (Quite topical, see: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/ben_macintyre/article2788870.ece)


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Anonymous said...

Since when is it erroneous to assume that radiology reports are correct? What's the point in having radiology reports (or radiologisits) if their expertise cannot be relied upon.

Where in the article does he say that he "minimal or no experience" of managing this type of condition. He may well have had training in orthopaedics before becoming a GP.

If you are going to post photos of people and call them 'experts of nothing' on the internet you could at least sign your own name next to your accusations.

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