Abortion is a subject that evokes strong feelings on both sides. It is an ethical minefield, and both sides (pro-life and pro-abortion) can be well and sensibly argued. Basically the pro-life side say that the fetus is a human being from conception, and therefore abortion is murder. The pro-abortion side say that the fetus is not fully alive until “viable outside the uterus” which is currently at about 24 weeks gestation. The pro-abortionists tend to see the decision as “the mother’s right to choose” and to give no rights to either the father of the baby (the sperm donor)or to the unborn child. (The foetus, just a collection of cells, not yet fully human etc) To many pro-abortionists the only correct medical response to a request for an abortion is for the doctor to say, “OK, when?” Some argue that the doctor is not a moral agent in such cases but merely a technician to deliver the mother’s "rights."
Therefore to some pro-abortionists a doctor like Dr Tammie Downes is a vile, unethical beast who should be struck off. She has the temerity to ask patients questions along the lines of, “Why do you want an abortion?” and “Are you sure it’s the right decision for you?” How awful. How dreadfully unprofessional and how clearly disrespectful to patient autonomy. Well, at least that seems to be the apparent basis of an unnamed doctor’s complaint to the G.M.C. about Dr Downes. The complaint seems to be based on what Dr Downes said in a newspaper interview rather than the complainant’s personal knowledge of a specific case, or any evidence of a specific patient having been harmed.
Now whatever your views on abortion, and whatever your actions in a particular case as doctor or patient, I hope we can agree that complaining about what a doctor has said rather than arguing the case positively is shitty behaviour.
Up until now both sides of the abortion have debated loudly, and the rest of us have tried to find a sensible way through it, and help women come to as good a decision as they can. Abortion is an act with consequences, and so is a pregnancy taken to term. In the old days you’d have women going through IVF next door to women having T.O.P.s on a gynaecology ward, and sometimes fights broke out between them. Women are both blessed and cursed by fertility, and of course they are the ones left holding the baby, or the after effects of the termination. Women often have very mixed feelings towards pregnancy especially in the early stages when they first discover it. Some are delighted, and some prefer their other roles at work or elsewhere and a child could ruin their career. Others re-evaluate their career when pregnancy comes.
To some extent women are damned if they do and damned if they don’t with a pregnancy. They may feel guilt and depression for ending the baby’s life, or they may feel guilt and depression for keeping a not fully welcome child. The decision to terminate or not is a permanent decision, life changing, responsible and made fast, often at a time of heightened emotions. Surely it is a decision to get as much help as possible with before making?
From the Mail interview it seems that Dr Downes is fully aware of all this and helps women review their situation and make the best decision they can. This is actually good medicine, helping patients to review and understand their predicament, and then make as good a decision as they can. She says, “I don't try to persuade anybody. I give them the facts and allow them space to think through the decision that they are making.”
She also says, “Some of my colleagues are happy to sign an abortion form without helping a woman to think the decision through, which is such a tragedy.” Dr Rant would agree with this. Abortion is not a minor decision, with no consequences. Treating it as merely a minor technical procedure is to diminish totally our respect for the value of each individual life.
She also says, “But I won't stand in a woman's way if she wants a termination.” So it appears that she is talking sensibly to women in early pregnancy about whether abortion is the right decision for them or not. The women think, and either keep the baby, or they go and see one of her colleagues if they decide to go for abortion. This is actually very fair medicine, and despite Dr Downes’s strong views on the issue it sounds that the women are getting a fair service, and the ultimate choice on whether termination is right for them or not. In other words the women’s autonomy is being respected, and Dr Downes is not imposing her moral views on the women she treats. Dr Downes says she is “pro-informed choice” and this is fair. Indeed doctors are usually criticised for giving too little information about procedures and their risks and consequences. It may be that abortion is currently being done in the UK with only partially informed consent.
In short there seems nothing in the interview to suggest Dr Downes is a bad or uncaring doctor, and nothing that suggests she is in breach of any G.M.C. guidance in Good Medical Practice. I think Dr Downes will see off any G.M.C. complaint easily.(with the usual caveats that this is said on basis of the data in the Mail and Observer reports and if G.M.C. finds additional evidence things could look different.)
To use the G.M.C. in this way, to complain about what a doctor has said, as opposed to what they have done, to the G.M.C. is shitty behaviour. It is a double edged sword. All doctors hold opinions and we all disagree with our colleagues on things. This is part of the fun of medicine (and life in general) It doesn’t indicate bad medicine. Taking part in the debate actually indicates commitment and engagement with our patients and our profession. Being on one side or another of a debate is not evidence of malpractice.
So to try and silence opponents by running off with whinges “She said the wrong things” and "She thinks the wrong things" to the GMC is shitty behaviour. It reeks of intolerance and heresy trials rather than reasoned debate.
The G.M.C. is there to arbitrate on bad behaviour by doctors, and whilst it tries to keep its procedures fair, robust and consistent, it doesn't always achieve this. The G.M.C. is no arena for arbitrating on general moral questions even if they are exemplified in one particular doctor. To its credit the G.M.C. is usually quick to spot agenda driven complaints and separate them from serious concerns about a doctor's performance in practice.
I hope that the unnamed pro-choice doctor who initiated this complaint will think again about his behaviour and drop the case. Dr Rant wishes Dr Downes well as she answers her accusers.
And he wishes doctors would not even think of using the G.M.C. to settle an argument with another. He regards that as very unethical and dangerous and disrespectful behaviour.









19 comments:
I agree absolutely the GMC should not be used as a way of silencing people whose opinion doesn't agree with yours. Perhaps bringing frivolous complaints to the GMC should in itself be actionable.
the GMC should not be used as a way of silencing people whose opinion doesn't agree with yours
agreed. But there's a difference between opinions and what's said to patients by a professional with power over them.
-- Has this blog's display changed radically? -- I can't see anything in the sidebar. (My computer's collapsed, so it could be the computer I'm using temporarily has a weird display.)
According to recent stats the abortion rate now exceeds 185,000 cases, annually - as opposed to around 25,000 when the Act was first introduced [in 1967].
How many abortions need to be performed before the GMC addresses the morality of such controversial medical practice ?
Certainly, the current production line mentality has nothing to do with the spirit of the original legislation.
I agree that Dr Downes is to be commended for her sensible approach, although believers usually tend to make me slightly uneasy [since rational argument has never been required when it comes to banging on about various religious ideologies].
"although believers usually tend to make me slightly uneasy [since rational argument has never been required when it comes to banging on about various religious ideologies]."
Religious ideology is not a requirement to view the cull of unborn babies for convenience as abhorrent.
I'm 100% behind Dr Downes - there should be no choice other than fully informed choice when it comes to abortion. If that means 'ramming the realities of abortion down the throat' of certain people then so be it. I don't have an absolute objection to abortion on either moral or religious grounds, but it's the bit of my job I dislike the most.
There should be no 'choice' to remain uninformed. Lifestyle choice abortion winds be right up I can tell you!
I don't like being made to feel like a redneck fundamentalist either. Gggrrrrrr!
there should be no choice other than fully informed choice when it comes to abortion.
I'd hope fully informed choice was the only choice for all medical procedures/decisions.
Agreed Jayann - the problem in my eyes though, is that nowadays the decsision to terminate has less and less to do with any sort of medical decision at all.
And remember the sleepwalk into such a colossal abortion rate [in my personal opinion] has now opened the door to a sinister twist on the quack theme - the abortion practitioner !!!
Now if that dosen't get the docs going [as opposed to the abortion stats themselves] then I don't know what will.
By the way - hi, Matt.
Whoever reported Dr Downes to the GMC should have his/her name made public.
The GMC should dismiss the complaint (don't hold your breath!).
This is about the denial of free speech and political correctness.
The pro-choice brigade don't want a debate.
This is not, Matt, about free speech. It is about the abuse of power.
Jayann
I suspect this case actually is about freedom of conscience and belief.
As long as Dr Downes has not abused her position, or acted to override the patient's autonomy then she should be in the clear.
Personally I don't think I, or other doctors, have any power to dictate to patients. I have authority to act on them when I have fairly gained their consent to a course of treatment.
I also have the right and indeed duty to consider available alternative strategies with my patients when necessary.
I am certain sure that my duty is in part to get patients to think about what they are asking for and why they are asking for it. Sometimes after doing this it will be clear the first plan is sensible. At others it will become clear that the original plan is not in fact the best available.
"It is about the abuse of power."
No it is not, Jayann. It is worse then a curb on free sppech as Dr Blue says, it is a curb on free thought.
Her being reported to the GMC is the abuse.
dr blue, I admit that I don't know who reported Dr Downes, and why. As though it seems to be someone who doesn't know her, who reported her because of that interview, it is presumably someone who is as unhappy as I am about her presumed approach to patients who want an abortion.
Personally I don't think I, or other doctors, have any power to dictate to patients.
you do, you may simply not know it. (Yes you have authority.) Patients will be influenced by what you say. Now if a surgeon says to me 'I don't really want to operate because...', a GP says 'really I think we've tried everything' (sinus), 'I could refer you but I'd prefer not to (allergies, explanation given') fine. If a GP said,you are killing babies, not fine.
I hope you can see the difference.
I am certain sure that my duty is in part to get patients to think about what they are asking for and why they are asking for it
not when your reasons are not strictly clinical and also do not directly relate to the physical and mental health of the patient (and in the last cases, still, you might want to back off).
matt, you are being silly. You have free speech as a private person. As a doctor, you may not. Professions carry with them certain responsibilities, these may affect what's considered proper speech. Freedom of thought does not enter into this at all, Downes can think what she wants to and also say what she wants to, but not in the consulting room.
Silly, moi!
Jayann, I have read the Daily Mail article carefully and I can't see where Dr Downes went wrong. Her obligation under the Abortion Act is not to obstruct a request for abortion and to refer if necessary.
Do you think that a GP's role is this should just be to rubber stamp the referral?
There is abortion on demand in this country in direct contravention of the letter and spirit of the Abortion Act. In my 20 years as a GP, I have yet to come across a case where a patient of mine was refused her wishes.
The law is being broken daily. The majority of abortions performed in this country are for convenience.
Jayann
I think it's vital doctors exercise their human agency in the consulting room. That includes taking our moral perspectives with us.
The alternative leads to technicians merely following guidelines and orders.
Giving the patients what they want is actually not very patient centered, nor very good medicine. Giving the patients what they need when problem has been reviewed and defined properly is good medicine.
Wow! Such debate and awareness on issues of 'informed consent' 'patients making decisions for themselves' and even questioning the ethical origins of the advice given to patients.
None of you specialise in psychiatry do you?
Pregnant mothers should go under the Mental Health Act. That'll solve the problem.
What was interesting in the Observer story was how it commented on the 'confusion' of being pregnant. It's a variable condition but it does exist. Making the decision to abort may also carry its own 'mental health' issues in itself without the messy hormone thing going on aswell. Pregnancy is a known destabiliser in terms of emotions and potential irrationality. Deciding on life or death issues one might consider pretty daunting also - which may produce further issues to consider.
I know nothing of the Abortion Act. I know a lot about ethics.
A person who presents requesting irreversible surgery requires to prove to the doctor who will sanction it that the choice is rational and well-informed.
Failing to do so is unethical and negligent in the duty of care principles.
I went thru the same process for a vasectomy. Even tho it's potentially reversible, I had to satisfy the GP I had good reason and rational thinking. I had no hormones to worry about.
If the patient does not like the advice or information given they can at least get a second opinion. Is this required in abortion? I have no idea.
In mental health it is required, for involuntary treatment, but it's not that hard to get two doctors to agree on the phallacy or reality of madness so I guess it wouldn't really help the abortion dilemma other than to protect the medics by proof of consensus opinion.
The issue about the (ab)use of the GMC as an arbitrary body on a moral issue that not even society can decide upon in concrete terms (certainly not as easily as they allow for the incarceration of mental people) is an interesting one.
The debate about how much of a personal opinion can be brought to the consultation table is moot. All opinion is personal, based on experience, knowledge and values. There is no science in spirituality which is why medical profession struggles to determine what is ethical advice and what is not, but that doesn't make it irrelevant. Even if Dr Downes is only concerned about the spiritual aspect of abortion - it's still an aspect that is relevant to care and is usually over looked by most. Unless we want to go back to the church making these decisions, then someone has to address the issue.
To be assured the choice is confirmed on an informed decision basis - in ALL domains of being human - is ethically good practice and probably exceeds the standard of practices elsewhere.
Her obligation under the Abortion Act is not to obstruct a request for abortion and to refer if necessary.
Matt, I agree. My argument is that that is all that she should do, that it is unprofessional of her to try to talk women out of having abortions. It is entirely possible that some of the women she talked to, who then did not have an abortion, are actually better off for not having one. But such counselling should not be done by someone opposed in principle to abortion (presumably, under any circumstances).
tainted holo,
I went thru the same process for a vasectomy.
no, it wasn't the same process, any counselling would have addressed the welfare of you and your family, not the welfare of the unborn, and would not have been carried out by someone who thought vasectomy would result in sinful behaviour. (I hope.)
Giving the patients what they want is actually not very patient centered,
dr blue, I've given examples of doctors not wanting to do something I might have wanted (and would have wanted if they hadn't said anything to the contrary), and explaining why. I've said what they said/did was fine by me. I've also said that what Downes does seems to be to be radically different. It is probably unacceptable, and the onus should be on her to show that it is not.
Doctors opposed to abortion can Yexercise their agency in the consulting room by exercising their right of conscientious objection. Doctors not opposed to abortion but who have doubts about abortion in a specific case can IMO legitimately discuss their concerns with a patient. The law does not allow abortion on demand.
Matt again (sorry, I have serious computer and net connection problems, I think I'll have to buy a new computer and get a new ISP...). I agree that it seems (you are in a position to know) that the Act is being broken. But I still oppose Downes' behaviour, for reasons I have given above.
"It is entirely possible that some of the women she talked to, who then did not have an abortion, are actually better off for not having one"
Jayann, your presumption therefore is that most of the women are not better off! I find you view quite depressing.
If any of the women dealt with by Dr Downes who went on to have their babies feel that she exerted undue pressure on them, then they could always sue her for the upkeep of the child. There is, I believe some legal precident here where women had abortions performed negligently and sued.
If she is found guilty by the GMC, maybe a few of then will cash in!
I believe in informed consent and women requesting abortions should be councelled on all the options fully and without euphamism.
"Some are delighted, and some prefer their other roles at work or elsewhere and a child could ruin their career. Others re-evaluate their career when pregnancy comes"
No no no and NO. Speaking as someone who has had a termination responding to an article about understanding why a doctor should be able to question or counsel - can I just say that this sentence (in a fairly well balanced argument) shows some ignorance. This is where the arguments turns into such a heated row. It is never a simple case of one decision or the other based on what you have decscribed. Speaking candidly my decision was based:
On an absolute and horrible fear of revealing a pregnancy outside marriage to my father. The sound knowledge that nothing would have put that right and no doctor could have offered any support. The sheer panic of not wanting to hurt my family weighing above any desire to have a child.
I know many similary complex situations so WHY do people always insist that it is the 2 overly simple reasons you presented? This weord notion that women all want careers OR motherhood?
This is why, on reflection, i think the doctor is wrong to probe and ask questions. Bottom line: i would have killed myself sooner than have that kid and bring shame to my family. The last thing i want or need is some doctor making me feel any more guilty. It needs some tact to say the least and i really dont think she exhibited very much.
And no Im not Asian or prone to any honour situation. My family are run of the mill conservative christians. There are still a lot of them about believe or not.
Jayann, your presumption therefore is that most of the women are not better off!
Well of course we can't know.
If any of the women dealt with by Dr Downes who went on to have their babies feel that she exerted undue pressure on them, then they could always sue her for the upkeep of the child.
That hadn't occurred to me. But I have to say, I find it an unsatisfactory remedy, a bloodless remedy (assuming an action succeeded), in that it provides no redress for the carrying of a child to term, for giving birth to it, when it is, or becomes, unwanted, no redress for the loss if a child is then given up. If women were emotionless automata, if all we cared about was money, then such a remedy would be apt. But we are not and we do not.
I may not have made it sufficiently clear that I have no problem with doctors discussing the pros and cons of medical procedures, indeed, I wish they would more often do that. I do have problems with doctors foisting their religious and political views on patients, as this doctor, I think, must have done. Someone like adm will have taken quite enough from people opposed to abortion (or been able to envisage what they might say) without having to put up with a doctor guilt-tripping her. The doctor should simply declare her position and refer on.
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