Saturday, January 26, 2008

Deep Clean? More Like a Whitewash.


Dr Rant has finally seen evidence of Gordon Brown’s ‘Deep Clean’. And he is not impressed.

The idea behind the ‘Deep clean’ is a false one to begin with. In order to reduce ‘Hospital acquired infections’, el Gordo has proposed giving every hospital ward in the country a good clean. He has proposed removing ingrained dirt, assuming that it will lower nosocomial disease, such as MRSA, and Clostridium difficile.

It will not. MRSA is spread by a contaminated carrier either sneezing on you, or touching you. Staphylococcus aureus acquires resistance when a healthy individual is given unnecessary antibiotics. One in three of us have several million Staphylococcus hiding up our nostrils, with no ill effect. And of those, one in ten will have assymptomatic MRSA. Patients who develop MRSA septicaemia either catch it from their own body, or from someone else’s nose. They do not catch it from a bit of dust on the floor.

Likewise, ‘C diff’, or Clostridium dificile is not an organism that you will catch from a dirty door-handle, unless someone has shat on it first. Human faeces is full of bacteria. And average turd will have millions of E coli bacteria, millions of bacteroides bacteria. And also a large amount of Clostridium. C diff infections usually start when a course of antibiotics is given to an unwell person admitted to hospital, and those antibiotics kill off the rest of the bacteria present in the bowel. Unopposed, C diff then starts to cause problems, such as pseudomembranous colitis and really shitty diarrhoea. This shitty diarrhoea gets everywhere. Especially onto other patients’ beds, which are usually 18 inches away from affected patients.

So, the ‘Deep clean’ will not affect the two well known ‘super-bugs’. What will it achieve?

Well, today, Dr Rant saw some of the deep clean team at his local hospital. He knew that they were the deep clean team as they had bright yellow tee-shirts with ‘Deep clean’ on them. He watched one of them push dirt from one part of a window to another. And watched a large number of them wait by a lift, speaking what sounded like an African language.

Quite simply, the ‘deep clean’ team is simply a collection of migrant floor-cleaners, who are mopping hospital floors rather that the local McDonalds. They are not highly trained infection control workers. They are not using state of the art cleaning equipment (Dr Rant does not consider a mop to be ‘state of the art’). And they do not appear to be doing anything more than a routine hospital cleaner would be doing.

Except for the bright yellow tee-shirt, of course.

The problems with hospital acquired infections is that NHS hospitals require far more than a simple mop and bucket. Washing a layer of dirt of a twenty year-old Skoda car will not hide the fact that it has a crap engine.

Perhaps El Gordo and his postman pal would like to address some of the following problems?

  • Increasing the number of nurses per patient, so that overworked nurses have time to wash properly.

  • Reduce the number of beds on each ward, so that patients do not share every last fluid ounce of vomit, faeces and piss.

  • Reduce bed turnover to a safe rate. If your bed is still warm from the last patient, then something is wrong. Instead, give wards a chance to clean the bed, the floor around the bed and the bedside cupboard.

  • Encourage hospital to have ‘in-staff’ cleaners. Most hospitals employ outside cleaning agencies, who go on to employ staff at the cheapest possible wage, with as little encouragement as possible. These agencies are prepared to take as few risks as possible, so tell their cleaners to have as little patient contact as possible. So as a result, hospitals end up with poorly motivated immigrant cleaners, who refuse to clean up vomit from under a patient’s bed.

  • Banning relatives from wards. Other countries such as Japan do not allow visitors to wards unless they have washed their hands. In the UK, we sometimes have a sign saying ‘please use the handwash gel’. Visitors with colds and obvious infections are not prevented from entering wards. Until there is some sort of barrier, friends and relatives represent a vector for all manner of infections.

  • Screen staff for MRSA. As detailed above, one in thirty people will have MRSA contamination up their nose. This is probably higher in hospital staff. This can be removed with eradication programs, using nasal creams and facewashes for two weeks. However, can the NHS afford to have over one in thirty of its workforce take two week’s enforced sick-leave?

Until all these are done, the NHS will continue to be ‘dirty’. Telling doctors to remove their ties and watches will make fuck-all difference when patients are practically shitting on each other because of ward over-crowding. Four hour A+E waits force patients onto wards that have not yet been cleaned. And existing cleaners are neither motivated nor encouraged.

Gordon Brown is a second hand car salesman. He can polish his twenty year-old Skoda as much as he likes. But his ‘Deep clean’ is nothing but a shallow, ineffective, vote-massaging exercise.

He should be reminded of an old Swedish saying:

You cannot polish a turd.

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hear, hear to 99% of what you've written here, but Clostridium difficile is spore-forming, so is extra hard to eradicate and CAN be transferred on fomites (i.e. things that a micro-organism lands on, of course). See HPA website, if liked, which includes following:
'Q: Are hospital infections caused by C. difficile any more difficult to remove from the environment than other hospital infections?
A: C.difficile is a type of bacterium that produce resistant spores that are able to persist in the environment longer than other bacteria. Although they will not be killed by alcohol hand gels, they can be removed with soap and water. Staff, patients and visitors need to wash hands with soap and water in addition to using alcohol hand gels. Disinfectants containing bleach need to be used on surfaces and floors to ensure that the spread of infection is controlled.'
http://www.hpa.org.uk/infections/topics_az/clostridium_difficile/C_diff_faqs.htm

Dr Grumble said...

Wouldn't it be nice to see the report into the links between MRSA rates and bed occupancy written by the Department of Health's chief economic adviser.

We can't because 'this would be detrimental to the future formulation of government policy'.

Nurse Anne said...

Thank you thank you Dr. Rant.

It is so refreshing to hear someone talking sense. I touched on this subject a little bit (in regards to staffing and bed occupancy) in my last blog post.

No one wants to listen to the nurses and doctors though. They just want to listen to the politicians and the daily mail fucktwits.

Zarathustra said...

Hear hear! Excellent post, and I agree with every word.

Anonymous said...

In days gone by doctors (but not managers) were the only ones concerned about MRSA. Ward staff had their orifices swabbed to make sure they were not carriers. Microbiologists of that era felt that MRSA was something that we could and should control. The problem was taken really seriously. There was concern in the lab and concern on the wards.

Swabbing of the orifices of staff has not happened for decades. In fact it didn't happen for long because doctors found to be carriers were not allowed to work and pretty soon so many were sent off work that the managers felt that we were making too much fuss. In those days doctors used to work up to 168 hours a week so losing a doctor was equivalent to losing 4 staff working normal hours.

So how many of the staff are carriers now? We cannot know what the figure is because, in most hospitals, nobody knows. Nobody looks any more. We can't keep MRSA out of our hospitals. The patients arrive with it and they have to be treated. Probably the staff have it and probably they spread it to their households. And probably they spread it from hospital to hospital. An Australian healthcare worker was believed to have brought an epidemic MRSA strain from Victoria to London to cause the 1982 outbreaks. Now even our pets have MRSA.

Ground down by targets and damaging high bed occupancies, the problem in the UK was that the battle against MRSA was bound to be lost. Inadequate isolation facilities meant that patients with MRSA had to be nursed in open wards and pressure of work meant that lip service only was paid to barrier nursing. When there is a mad frenzy to meet targets, MRSA falls low on the list of priorities. Without adequate resources the loss of control of MRSA was not really the fault of those at the coalface. They had not been given the tools they needed to tackle the problem.

Could things have been any different? The answer is yes.

The figures below show the proportion of isolates of Staphylococcus aureus which are methicillin resistant in selected European countries (1999-2002 figures):

United Kingdom 44.5%
Netherlands 1%
Sweden 0.7%
Norway 0.2%

Quite a difference. Now why should that be?

Can the management be blamed? After all controlling MRSA would be costly. Of course they can and should be blamed because almost every analysis that has ever been done has shown that it is cheaper to control MRSA than to let it run wild. The cost of caring for patients infected with MRSA is so great that it makes screening look cheap.

Staff are not much to blame for this. Those that knew lobbied hard. But loan voices can do nothing. The fault was with managers, managers who failed to heed the warnings of doctors, experts who knew what they were talking about. And now these same people are blaming the doctors for this.. The ignorance of these people about the history of all this is breathtaking.

By the way there are more practising doctors in the Netherlands than in the UK - 57% more (2004 figures). Do you think that might help? Not from the viewpoint of managers. After all it's doctors that are to blame.

By the way, in case you're wondering, a version of this was first published elsewhere. The BBC picked it up but let it drop because they did not think it was true. It is true but documentation to support the truth of this comment is hard to find. You have to be old enough to know the history of this of this sorry saga.

Anonymous said...

Well said!

This is interesting - MRSA occurring in patients who have never been in hospital.

http://stopunum.com/warning-new-killer-superbug-spreading/

brambo said...

As a psychiatrist MRSA and C.difficile do not regularly complicate my normal business (to my knowledge anyway), but as a doctor with elderly and increasingly frail close rellies I do increasingly fear that whenever they are admitted to hospital they are to be exposed to the consequences of the cheap, 'cleanliness-lite' of the average UK hospital, a situation started by the Rt. Hon Kenneth "Cancer" Clarke when he encouraged trusts to out-source hospital cleaning to Delboy & Son (plc). Gimmicks like "deep clean" need to be exposed for the superficial, cynical, tokenistic window dressing it is. What we need to do is employ proper salaried cleaners in the NHS and make everyone working on the wards have a sense of shared responsibility and pride about issues of cleanliness. A reduction of the target-driven moving of patients from pillar to post and reducing the normal 120% bed occupancy of acute beds are also much more likely to reduce the problem of hospital acquired infections rather pathetic stunts geared to grab headlines and votes rather than to improve the health of our patients..

DundeeMedStudent said...

hear hear Dr Rant.

Dear Anon 1,
yes C.diff is spore forming, thus can be transmitted by fomites, however a deep clean will not sort the problem, stopping the patients from shitting all over each other and having enough nurses to look after the patients properly will.

Beaker said...

I work in an NHS pathology lab and witness the results of hospital-acquired infections every day. The thought of being admitted to my own hospital in an emergency fills me with dread. I can't begin to describe how frustrating it is when proper hand-washing, correct use of antibiotic drugs, and where appropriate, barrier-nursing, would erradicate this problem overnight. The fundametal issue is policy-makers ignoring the expert advice of medical professionals in favour of think-tank wankers and barely-medically-qualified arse-kissers who are telling government that economic-science principles can be applied to real-science problems. They can't: It's bollocks. And that's why we're where we are with MRSA and Clostridium.

DundeeMedStudent said...

oh dear, another one...

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/funding/story/0,,2247667,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

Anonymous said...

I agree with most of the blog entry on this one

However when the average patient walks into the average general hospital and sees lots of shit on the walls it is obvious emergency measures are called for

and yes much of what you say is correct, but general hospitals in say Belgium are cleaner than UK ones, and they almost certainly have less MRSA say? So yes much cleaner hospitals do intuitively make sense

So I think you should embrace the deep clean, complain like fuck if its not done well enough, BUT push for all these other measures too?

Dr Pink said...

"So I think you should embrace the deep clean, complain like fuck if its not done well enough, BUT push for all these other measures too?"

Ah, how easily the masses are conned.

The yellow T shirts, the catchy slogan. It's all a front. There is no 'big clean', just a 'Big Con'.

It's a fake.

Window dressing.

A scam.


Wake up!

Anonymous said...

hi i do agree with parts of your comment but strongly disagree with the slagging off of the deep clean team i am a member of a deep clean team and have done high standards of cleaning for 24 years and worked hard to be chosen for my team i am currently working up to eleven hours a day to clean wards and other departments in my area to give patients a better environment to stay i work for minimum wage and i am very proud of my work and was very happy to visit a relative of mine the other day who was in a bed i new was cleaned thoroughly by me and not a domestic on seven pound an hour saying its not my job and i hav also never been near africa

Mr Salmon said...

Is your cleaning as good as your spelling and grammar? Many thanks for the information that the 'Deep cleaners' are on minimum wage. I believe that even McDonald's pays their cleaners more.

Dr Pink said...

Actually, I'm touched that one of the Deep Clean team would take the time to post on here (and ignore Salmon's jibes about spelling and grammar - he's a surgeon!).

I think it's great that you are serious about the cleaning of the hospitals. I am pretty cynical about these 'big name' things (you'd never guess!), but if you are making a difference for patients, then I think that's fabulous.

Now, if we can just get more nurses and less bed crowding.....

Anonymous said...

dr pink thats very sweet (i am being genuine here)

and member of the deep clean team, thanks for the hard work on behalf of us all

no one

violainvilnius said...

you mean hospitals in the UK don't have central bed cleaning places like they do in Germany, where beds are taken once the patient has left, and cleaned properly?

ha, ha...

unfortunately, it seems they are considering going back to the cleaning of beds on the ward, and are more concerned with the contamination of patients and personnel by cleaning materials than by shit, urine, MRSA and all that other stuff - http://www.thieme-connect.com/ejournals/html/klinikarzt/doi/10.1055/s-2005-918912

guthrie said...

Dr Grumble, what was that about an unpublished report on occupancy rates and MRSA? I am always interested in examples of the gvt or anyone else squelching information.

Also, because I'm a nosy git, would you mind saying why you didn't feel safe continuing your blog?

Anonymous said...

Well, the deep clean is over and the shit has just hit the fan (the one cooling the C.diff patient) better start all over again then.
What is all this speil the NHS are spinning regarding community C.diff, they are going to be in big trouble if they do not get their act together, dirty linen contaminated with C.diff is leaving the hospitals in abundance.
Double bagged, you must be joking, more like the visitor has to search for a carrier bag to place the unwrapped stinking, soiled nightware left for them in the locker.
Deep Clean? What a load of shit (pardon the pun)

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