Monday, January 21, 2008

Traitor in our midst

A medical student who goes my the name of the pseudonym 'Alex Thomas' has been slagging off her colleagues in the Guardian. Dr Rant has heard from several reliable sources that Lana Williams may be hiding behind the cover of Alex Thomas; Lana Williams is a medical student in London who is due to graduate in 2011, so she is uniquely qualified to be giving us the benefit of her vast knowledge and experience of the NHS. The rather outlandish arrogance of this medical student has to be seen to be believed, apparently Alex has lost patience with GPs; one just wonders just how well informed this young medical student is regarding the current crisis in primary care. The piece is completely incoherent and demonstrates a real lack of understanding of the key issues:
"The main point that politicians and the general public are increasingly warming to is that if individuals do not like the offer of employment that is on the table from the Department of Health then they are free to leave the profession."
Alex, my dear, I suggest you research your stories a little bit before writing this low quality dross. The government and DoH made zero effort to negotiate with GPs for many months, while smearing GPs with a dishonest campaign of propaganda in the press, before making an insulting offer that they were not willing to negotiate at all. In a similar vein I suppose Alex thinks that the Police should just lump their insulting pay offer, as they are free to leave the Police force if they wish, what sparkling logic. The concept of 'free' is not such a black and white issue when one is tied to a mortgage, partner and children, and when one has invested many many years specialising in General Practice.
"Many senior figures within NHS management and the Department of Health have said that there are some senior doctors are refusing to attend internal and external management meetings and negotiations unless they are being paid to attend - on top of their salaries, at GMC rates that is about £100 an hour. Is it any wonder doctors are being left out of negotiations? This is scandalous and downright cheeky."
It appears that Alex likes to swallow the propaganda fed to her by the government propaganda machine, it can be very dangerous to swallow things without checking where they came from first. Next time Alex I suggest that you check what's between your lips before you gobble it down. Amazingly a medical student criticising all her senior GP colleagues has the nerve to call GPs 'cheeky'. Alex seems to think that the majority of GPs are happy with the government's management of primary care, and that the noise is only 'the rumblings of discontent from a highly vocal minority'. One wonders why the government ignored the majority of patients regarding opening hours Alex, it couldn't possibly be that they want to open up Primary Care to some rather hungry private corporations.
"They knew and I know that if they went into my old City firm with the sheer arrogance they display as medical students they would have their bollocks chewed off by lunchtime."
This quote is unbelievable. Has anyone out there ever seen anyone working in the City display arrogance? Can Alex see the rank hypocrisy of her words? Pot, kettle, black. I have many friends who work in the City and they would openly admit that many of their colleagues are unpleasantly arrogant and obnoxious, I would say the opposite of my medical colleagues, I can't comment on Alex's friends though. Maybe we aren't as militantly political as we should be as a profession, but this does no excuse the government's appalling behaviour in making no effort to cooperate or negotiate.
"I'm fed up with hearing that morale is at an all-time low when everywhere I go I see contented doctors who are happy to teach students and treat patients. They have made peace with the fact that they did not become bankers or lawyers and are happy to get on with it."
Alex Thomas seems to equally obnoxious when acting under a different pseudonym 'Spider Monkey', apparently she is 'still waiting for the exodus from the profession over MTAS, or was it MMC', obviously the Spider Monkey didn't notice the rather large number of our colleagues that have emigrated or are in the process of jacking medicine in.
" When the exodus happens at least my generation of doctors can stop worrying about their job security....Hundreds of people is not an exodus - hundreds of people go to Oz for fun and frolics every year any way."
Thanks for pointing out the benefits of MTAS and MMC to your generation Alex, it's just a great shame that you are so terribly wrong again. If you continue your career as a doctor then one day you will look back on your comments and be very very embarrassed indeed. MTAS and MMC will be extremely bad for your generation in many many ways. The government is flooding the market with doctors, so that it can force doctors of the future to work for poorer terms and conditions in the brave new NHS. This brave new privatised NHS will be bad for doctors and bad for patients, as health care is run for profit and not on the basis of clinical need. I am sure Alex thinks this is a great idea though, there will undoubtedly be a new CMO by then.

"There will not be blood in the corridors of Whitehall just because some irate GP with his own blog and an inflated sense of his own importance is fuming about his work/life balance."
I'm thinking......fuck right off you nauseating adolescent.

121 comments:

Fox in Sox said...

Good to see you back in Rantingshire! Thought that maybe the men in black had called round.

Give them hell!

Dr Rant said...

Thanks Foxy!

Oh yes! We're back - bigger and better than ever.

It took an American Internet Services company's fuckwittery to keep us quiet - something the 'establishment' hasn't managed yet!

Hold on to your hats...

AngryDoc said...

I'm sure her well-informed piece sat comfortably with The Grauniaud's editorial team!

Idon'tbelieveit said...

Oh my goodness, what a silly little TWAT! I actually didn't believe my eyes when I read that "article". I did a spell in GP land before doing a runner to Australia (for good) and I can unequivocally state that at times I wished I was back in the hospital even though I had hated it, because GP was so hard, in every sense. The responsibility, the lack of support, the days were more tiring than 36 hours on call had been in-house. There is no amount of money that is too much to pay GPs in my opinion. That is one mfuckin' tough job and needs to be very well remunerated. Otherwise how would they EVER attract people into the profession in the first place. Usual pack of cretinous spanners commenting after the articel too, you know, I'm an academic, blah blah blah, so I'm so stressed and I should earn as much as a GP 'cos I'm so worth more than them. WAKE UP!!! If you all have PhDs then I'm assuming you're intelligent (going out on a limb a little, to be sure). The rarefied world of academia is a huge break from stress for most people who actually work for a living. When you have been wrist deep in blood on a 40 hour shift or gotten a needlestick during an extended 30 plus hour shift with no sleep, and you're waiting for the patient's HIV antibodies to come back while resuscitating someone (this actually happened to me!), then come and tell me you know stress. And the fucking librarian and her "stress" and GP bashing just cracked me up completely. A library is quiet, clean, and possibly the lowest stress environment I can imagine. What planet are these people on???

Dr Blue said...

What annoys me is to see so much space given to a medical student. And it's not that students have nothing to say.

But would you let the cub reporter write the editorial in the paper?

Would you let the medical student do your operation?

Would you let the rookie teacher be the headmaster?

Would you let a law student act as high court judge?

We all have to learn in our profession. Alex Thomas has not yet learnt enough medicine to know what she is writing about. Her knowledge of GP finances is nil.

Still it is in the Guardian. A paper where those who know nowt can spout.

Dr Pink said...

"The main point that politicians and the general public are increasingly warming to is that if individuals do not like the offer of employment that is on the table from the Department of Health then they are free to leave the profession."

Does anyone else find this a deeply disturbing comment?

Leaving aside the sheer Thatcheritism of it, surely the bitch means 'leave the NHS'?

Or does she know something about the GMC reforms that we don't?

Dr Pink said...

ps: Is the blogger she is slagging off Crippen?

Silly bitch.

the little medic said...

What does that make her? a second year? or at most 3rd year? She has barely even seen anything. I hope now her identity is out there, her "collegues" will show her te respect she deserves (i.e. none whatsoever)

Who the fuck does the silly bitch think she is? She gives medical students a bad name.

the a&e charge nurse said...

If putative doctors, the so called (top) 1%, fail to grasp what are, after all, are fairly simple issues then what chance is there for the rest of us mere mortals, eh ?

The nauseating glibness of her comments exemplify why 5yr olds shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a box of matches.

I'd like her to work on Nurse Annes ward for a few months.........but in a nursing, rather than medical role - actually, I can a think of a few other doctors who would probably benefit from exactly the same sort of treatment ;o)
http://militantmedicalnurse.blogspot.com/

Merys said...
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surganon said...

Ooh, it's good to see that poisonous, arrogant bitch get the slagging she deserves!

Those postings at admissionsforum aimed towards a consultant microbiologist we all know and love are pure evil. I'm amazed the forum owners (an SHO and an admin bod as I recall) allowed them to stay up and her to remain a member. People have been permanently banned for much less.

Lana Williams should be encouraged to publically apologise for the offense her (? hormonal) wrath and stupidity have caused. If she shows no remorse I'd suggest she be kicked out of medical school and blacklisted.

Twatty little shit.

PS nice work Dr Rant's detective agency for rumbling this nasty piece of work

amdsweb said...

surganon, thank you for your kind words.

When I started the thread on admissionsforum I honestly thought I was doing the med students and prospective med students a favour by pointing out something that would have such a profound effect on their careers. I wasn't trying to make a bold statement, just trying to underline the enormity of what was going on.

Sadly, the thread was derailed right from the outset by the incredibly misguided and misinformed Alex/Lana.

I have spoken to a senior journo friend who works for a broadsheet who is acutely embarrassed by her obviously unresearched and inaccurate essay in the Grauniad, and who is looking forward to avoiding her like the plague should Alex/Lana submit any work their way. "It is a lazy, badly written, shabby piece of work that would get most journalism students a 'fail'" was the comment made.

I am very confident that at some point Alex/Lana will be hoisted by her own petard, and in 10 years time when she is working for McHealthcare PLC she can reflect on how wrong she was back in her student years.

I've given up on contributing to the Admissions Forum now, because life is too short to have to read poisonous replies from people like her. I know I can be pretty abrasive myself (as many will testify to), but at least I try and back up my posts with some substance.

Alex/Lana - you can still kiss my arse. Failing that, grow up and actually research your work before you write it: You might actually find the truth makes for a much better story.

Anonymous said...

interesting how she mentions blogger and Whitehall in the same piece - it cannot be lost on any of you that this blog is banned in nhs premises - these fuckers are getting scared of you...
and this is how revolutions are begun!
good to see you guys back.

I think my mate shagged her a year or two back -
just thought I'd mention it.
wasn't much good at that either.

Anonymous said...

On the topic of admissionsforum, it's a place i'd recommend avoiding like the plaugue.

As well as Lana Williams they have a prominent poster called Joanne Evans who posts under the name Fluffy, and regularly spews vitriol at anyone who dares disagree with her, or anyone who she feels threatened by. It's a sick thought that someone like this will become a doctor.

Back when admissionsforum was on a different server I remember a doctor or two offering advice there (specifically I believe a surgical SpR and a neurology SpR but I might be mistaken) and being shot down in flames (and insulted to boot) by the moderators who seem to think themselves all-knowing and all-powerful.

Something about BLQM medical school which breeds delusions of grandeur and comtempt for all outsiders, perhaps?

Nurse Anne said...

The cheek of of this girl!!

I don't think she will last 5 minutes as a Doctor.

Calavera said...

What a hilarious post! I came to know about all this through Dr. Crippen's blog, and I just had to read the Rant team's take on it.

Absolutely fantastic! Applause all around! I love the way you wipe the hospital floor with this arrogant little shit's face.

Wonderful.

Now that's good journalism!

Anonymous said...

Calavera - get off Dr Rant immediately, you're supposed to be in lockdown mode [spank]

medreg said...

Totally agree about admissionsforum.net and nastiness/hypocrisy.
I stopped browsing there when a really helpful post about a heavily-susidised royal college surgical skills course for medical students was removed for being 'advertising'
At the same time numerous other advertising and conflict of interest type things were lauded and promoted.
The latter having been posted up by the usual nasty gang of Barts students of course.

nasty jealous bunch.

DundeeMedStudent forgot her password again said...

Hey!
I'm due to graduate in 2011.

Jesus she's an idiot, and after being outed I doubt she'll manage to pass her degree, oh dear what a shame.

amdsweb said...

To be fair, I don't think it is Barts medical students per se, just a few arrogant misinformed know-it-alls who happen to be frequenting Admissionsforum and who happen to be medical students. There are some very good, thoughtful and sensible contributors there who are med students and who are from Barts.

And I'd like to stick up for Hannah the administrator there who does a great job despite all the crap she has to put up with.

Rahere said...

I've been looking at the threads and comments referred to in the original Rant (It's good to have you back- has it really only been a week?) and I am utterly appalled. I am a Barts man (clue's in the nickname!) and although traditionally you could "always tell a Barts man as you can't tell him anything", I am still gobsmacked at the arrogance and ill-informed bollocks being spouted by some of those currently studying at my alma mater. Yes, we did sometimes think we were a bit special, but we were never so dense or so far up ourselves that we did not listen to our lecturers and those qualified docs who took the time to teach us. Some of them were a bit of a pain, some were very opinionated and we might disagree, but I can't believe it's just the anonymity of the net and blogging that's brought about the vitriol being poured out in those forums. Something must have gone badly wrong that anyone "learning" an instituion built upon such high ideals has developed these attitudes to their elders and (much) betters, never mind the disrespect shown to the profession they apparently hope to enter.

As for the Guardian piece, words fail me. How the fuck did that ever get published? Now you have this silly bint's identity, can we work out what her relationship is to whoever in the Guardian's editorial team let this through? Blackmail or nepotism? There can be no other explanation!

(before anyone starts a debate about which medical school is the best etc, I'd just like to point out that I am sure that any doctor knowing students at their university could behave like this would be appalled - I'm just taking it very personally because she appears to have a connection with mine!)

Anonymous said...

I've had a good read over there, and I think whoever 'hannah the administrator' is, she shouldn't allow people like 'fluffy' and 'spider_monkey' to bully others on her forum. It's just unacceptable and gives medics a bad name, not to mention scaring away people who might be innocently looking for information or guidance.

tiny said...

Fluffy/Jo Evans is this years welfare officer for Barts. Scary. She had a huge hissy fit a couple of years back with another forum (medschoolguide as it was called then) and demanded her posts be removed or she would take legal action against them. She was a moderator of that forum at the time and had made several thousand posts.

Anonymous said...

I'd heard that too tiny. She claimed her thousands of posts were her intellectual property and had them removed. Goodness knows how she became welfare officer, she's a nasty piece of work who constantly brags about how she has a PhD and used to be anorexic (yawn) whoever appointed her must have never seen her online boasting and spiteful vitriol (love that word!)

Anonymous said...

F*ck me, the moderators at admissionsforum are now deleting posts which mention Lana Williams' name. I guess they want to protect the identity of their scheming bitch friend. Indefensible.

The Roz said...

Off the Grauniad responses

As a fellow medical student I feel obliged to express my outrage at your comments "Mr Thomas".

I cannot comprehend that a future doctor and one of my peers could hold such views.

I have nothing but the upmost respect for GPs and the difficult job they carry out. Too often they are dismissed because they haven't chosen to rise up the ranks in hospital medicine to the more glamorous post of Consultant. In fact the work they do is just as important and equally as demanding and without them the NHS simply could not function.

The recent proposals by the Government are outrageous and are an insult to the profession. Removing £125 million from primary care budgets, only for it to be transferred to the private sector is unacceptable.

I don't see why doctors ought to "make peace with the fact they didn't become bankers or lawyers", I certainly won't have to. I have never wanted to do anything but become a doctor, like most of my peers at university, and I am sure the majority of the medical profession didn't enter their line of work as a second rate option.

I also fail to believe that doctors don't walk out simply because they know that "outside of London a secure job that pays more than £35,000 a year and provides a degree of respect and social standing is hard to come by". They stay because they do not want to walk out on patients, many of whom depend upon them heavily and because they are dedicated to their profession.

I suggest Mr Thomas that you spend a day with a GP and rethink your views or even better go back to the "City" where you clearly belong.

Fluffy said...

Of course - a medical student could never go in to the profession with their eyes wide open, having come from a profession with less job security and more randomness. People never fail to amaze me.


People are more than welcome to rea all my posts - on AF and TSR and make their own minds up. Your bully boy mentality only confirms one thing to me - and that is that a lot of what I say and think is right and worrys you.

It will be interesting to see if my post remains or not...

I expect all references to my real name to be removed.

Anonymous said...

fluffy we can't read your posts on MSG/NMM though. apparently you had a hissy fit and got them all removed. threatened legal action even. and why do you want your real name removed if you're so proud of your image, hmm?

Ageing academic cynic said...

She does sound a thoroughly opinionated and self-regarding young person, and unhandicapped by much insight into her own crashing ignorance... but then many of the undergrads I teach (and I would include a lot of the medical students) seem to live in personalized bubbles that end about 3 inches in front of their nose.

On the whole we grizzled University lifers figure that this sort of stuff is just par for the course for the under-25s, and that they will get over it (and themselves). Perhaps Ms Whatshername will turn out all right when she grows up.

amdsweb said...

Fluffy:

"If this has come from amdsweb, let me know - I'll happily post his real life details!"

I have never at any time mentioned you at all, and have never at any time been anything other than courteous to you. I strongly suggest you do not publish my personal details.

Fluffy said...

Fair point... I think I know at least 2 of the narrow minded idiots, who posted under their own psuedonyms - ironic!

I do think it is very wrong though, to write a naming article about a student (the other one, not me!)

This has saddened me more about the future of medicine far more than anything the Government may have done!

Fluffy said...

Oh! By the way - anon, I have a D.Phil, not a PhD... Keep up ;-)

Anonymous said...

fluffy, since there are 4 med student bloggers who posted here, I'd expect you to know who at least three of them are. Do keep up. Blogging's not anonymous, is it Dr Placebo?

Anonymous said...

fluffy if you're not sure who is posting what you can usually find out by reading the concurrent threads at dnuk. takes a bit of working-out but since people tend to post either the same thing or a similar thing in different words, it's not too difficult. dr rant team members and dr crippen have all been rumbled in this way. who knows you might just be surprised at peoples allegiances

Fluffy said...

Difference is, that I'm not sinking to their (or your) level, Anon #whatever...

Anonymous said...

"Fluffy said...

Oh! By the way - anon, I have a D.Phil, not a PhD... Keep up ;-)"

Anal much?

You really do mention it whenever you get the chance...

fluffy said...

Ahh! Dr Crippen - I liked his work diary pieces (not being sarky!) I'm currently on psych and often think back to his comments on his patients and trying to get them the help they need.

I hope I'm half as good a doctor whem I hit the wards. If there are still wards... If there are still doctors!!!!!

Fluffy said...

"You really do mention it whenever you get the chance..."

Yes - even in my sleep. It feels goooood! *rolls eyes some more*...

Anonymous said...

the irony in this comment section is killing me

[waves to Dr Crippen]

Phil.S said...

curiouser and curiouser, the thread about the Imperial College med students prize (the one where fluffy and spider_monkey boasted and bullied) has disappeared from admissionsforum.

and they say they have nothing to hide. yeah right.

Anonymous said...

LOL! There's an admission of guilt if ever there was one. Nothing to hide eh Fluffy?

Phil.S said...

meant to add - a real shame that thread got pulled as it's the last time I saw Pheonix online and I've always liked his posts and comments

Zelda said...

Regardless of Alex/Lana's opinions and how they may irk you...I find it disgusting that everyone is tearing her to shreds with banal terms like "bitch" and alluding to her "hormones" as partially responsible.

Have we made no progress at all as civilised humans that we cannot disagree with a woman without invoking her hormones and calling her a bitch? Quite juvenile.

Anonymous said...

Actually Zelda I agree. In the ideal world we'd be above such things. But in the real world we have a preclinical medical student who's written a nasty piece of work seemingly out of the blue, aimed towards membes of a profession already plagued by didaster, and which she plans to join in a few years. Strange, no?

Anonymous said...

I can't wait until they get their surgical house jobs - preferably with a crusty old Prof who takes no shit. Then we'll see how cocky they are.....FFS if I'd have come out with 10% of this overly verbose shite I'd have been expelled from med school - or had the shit kicked out of me. Or both.


And deservedly so.

Anonymous said...

Phil.S - I noticed that too...

Fluffy is the mod for that part of the forum and she did not come across very well from some of her comments. If I remember correctly there was a mentalist comment directed towards Merys Jones about never trusting someone who adds you as a friend on facebook using their pseudonym or something. Also starting off agreeing it wasn't worth getting out of bed for then changed tone by congratulating them on getting The Lancet involved.

That forum has sadly gone to the shits in recent days just because of small number of eejits. Feel really bad for Hannah the admin as by the looks of it she put a lot of effort into both the old and present forum :(

Anonymous said...

(cont. from above) What's really sad is that there isn't really free speech on that forum anymore. Some people are so 'popular' and in positions of 'power' (mods, etc) that you don't say anything or criticise certain members for fear of a united backlash

Anonymous said...

Disgusting piece by a disgusting individual. There's nothing wrong with dissenting opinion but as a 2011 graduate will she even have been on the wards more than taster days? If not then surely this is a breach of the GMC's probity rules which I believe apply to students now - let's hope her medical school doesn't find out!

Dr Blue said...

The issue with Alex Thomas was her willingness to add uninformed vitriol against GPs.

As GPs we are not paranoid- the DH and its media friends are out to get us.If Alex is with them then she is against us. She may be angling for a career in journalism or politics rather than medicine.

For her to be directly rude in public about people whose profession she wants to join is not going to make her popular in the medical profession. It will inevitably leave her marked out from others. She'll need to be very tough to take the opprobrium she will get. And her colleagues at all levels will find it hard to trust her.

She writes well, but she needs to learn to direct it better, and to meet more people in medicine before she commits to such strong opinions.

At present, with her Guardian piece, she is simply aiding and abetting the government in the destruction of British General Practice.

Anonymous said...

The problem with admissionsforum is more that the average age there is 17. Spoonfeeding people who haven't got the motivation to do their own research is not the best use of time. I am amazed that some medical students have thousands of posts there - do they ever do any work?

fluffy said...

I congratulated them on The Lancet Student as a result of the work that must have been involved in securing it - hard work deserves recognition, regardless of personal views...

If it had been the North London Journal of Nothing, it would still be worthy of praise and nothing to do with perceptions of grandeur...

You can disagree with people on a non-personal "lets get nasty" basis, you know ;-)

Anonymous said...

Err i had over a thousand posts on various medical blogs over the years of my time in medical school.

I found it nice to return some of the help i got when i was asking for advice about getting in to medical school.
However i stopped going there so no post medical school advice, i got shouted down by A level students (and the odd medical student) telling me i didn't know what i was talking about!

This medical students article shows a deep lack of understanding. As has been said she probably wants to move away from medicine. I wonder if she has to work in a GP surgery in her clinical years? I feel it would open her eyes as it did mine?

The web in general seems to have become less a place for people to share information and more a place for teenagers to run around tyring to be a pain.

And i'm very pleased to report that all the people i went to medical school with who already had a PhD were very nice.

Dr Rant said...

"Have we made no progress at all as civilised humans that we cannot disagree with a woman without invoking her hormones and calling her a bitch?"

Fuck off!

Dr Rant is an equal opportunities swear blogger.

Everyone get's a kicking if they deserve it. Women, medical students with an emotional age of 14, quadriplegic migdgets. Everyone.

amdsweb said...

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Lets use a bit of perspective here. The Admissions Forum is an excellent resource, and has some brilliant contributors.

Hannah has worked very hard to make the web site an invaluable tool for prospective medical students, and should be congratulated for her altruistic efforts. Most of the moderators and forum contributors are level-headed, thoughtful and intelligent.

Don't let the fact that a very tiny minority with lots of hot air and very little substance who use the place as their personal bitching space detract from the value of the site.

And don't let the spat with those little fish detract from the real issue behind the blog entry - the impending crisis in Primary Care.

My suggestion is this:
1) Ignore those who think they are important but really are utterly inconsequential in the grand scheme of things - when they have experience of what they talk about, maybe they will bring something to the debate, but until then they are akin to children having tantrums in public.

2) Engage with the sensible members on Admissions Forum - provide those that are interested with the information to base their decisions on. Support the hard work of its major contributors.

3) Concentrate on making sure we have an NHS in 5 years time. Inspire those med students who think it isn't an issue. Show them that it really is.

Fluffy said...

amdsweb - I couldn't agree more.

I personally think it's a tragedy that you have "disengaged" with AF - I had (and still have) a lot of respect for you - you are the author of the best comment ever posted on old AF (the cef/met anencephalic comment - classic, and makes me question antibiotic therapies and why they are being used on every placement I've been on!)

From a student point of view, it's really difficult to hear people telling you to run, get out etc with out any real explanations, or without being backed up with personal 'cole face' anectdotes of the sort that help you see part of the problem - just links to cold, impersonal BBC articles etc, without any real debate, and when anyone dares disagree or add a different facet to the conversation to find out more, they get attacked...

As you said, all this personal attack is detracting from the apparent issue in hand; and it saddens me that people can organise attacks on individuals but not find the time to inform and educate them.

I'm already aware of several of my clinical friends who now have no intention of practicing medicine, as they have been ground down by people with perceived clout (often clinical lecturers) telling them there is no future in medicine, they would never do it if they had their time again etc. Again with no reasoning.

My concerns about this approach is that the worse case scenario is that the only people who will go forward into medicine are:

a) the people who really don't care about the politics and are 10000% passionate about medicine with all its flaws (even if may be they are deluded etc!); and

b) those who are too lazy to act and drift into it not really giving a rats arse.

As per usual, I guess patients will ultimately suffer...

the a&e charge nurse said...

I agree Dr Rant - this young minx certainly deserved both barrels, but I do object to her being "outed" on the net.
Incidentally, the Devil, and one or two others share this discomfort.

Surely, the freedoms confered by anonymity (to us sad blogging bastards) outweighs the desire for revenge, even though our cub reporter is a particularly deserving case ?

This unfortunate medical student may be one of those psychopaths who becomes a permenant embarrasement to the medical profession (once she qualifies) - on the other hand she may have some redeeming qualities and is thus entitled to make her mistakes while she is young enough to learn from them.

My instinct is that we should give big-mouth the benefit of the doubt ?

PhD scientist said...

I'm with A%E CN here. Outing the person by name seems unduly vindictive. Would it not be enough to have said "Covert Rant sources have conclusively identified this person as a 3rd yr student, who thus knows the square root of F--- All"

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with what one of the anons said about being surprised at peoples allegiances. I hope I'm not being out of place by pointing out that over on DNUK there were two people who openly asked for others to lay off Lana Williams. One is a person who's been treated quite badly by the mods on admissionsforum then banned. I know she's aware of this Lana/Rant issue and is keeping away for her own sanity.
These are the people which little websites like admissionsforum should encourage to stick around IMO.

Anonymous said...

Just to clarify, the thread which disappeared from admissionsforum was the one where Fluffy and Lana made offensive comments towards students who said they were going to enter a surgical prize.

Fluffy and Lana said they wouldn't get out of bed for £350.
Merys said she wanted to enter.
Phoenix said something to encourage Merys
Fluffy went off on one and incriminated herself

Fluffy deleted the thread then pretended to interact like a normal human being (which we know she's not). Beware of this woman, she sounds dangerous.

I'm also concerned that hannah is covering up for her. hannah would do best to cut her losses and dump the clearly unstable Fluffy from her website altogether.

Fluffy said...

Phoenix and Merys launched an attack on "Alex", which appeared co-ordinated.

I stuck up for her, in much the same way that phoenix.

I won't appologise for that, but do accept that everyone has their own personal view point, WHICH SHOULD BE RESPECTED.

I did post that I wouldn't trust anyone who facebooks under a psuedonym and then expects you to accept their offer of being their "friend", as I think that's a little sinister... I know a fair bit about Merys through a common friend, but will leave that there, as it's neither here nor there...

Anonymous said...

Funny, I have a cached copy of that thread and there's nothing offensive from Phoenix or Merys in the slightest.

Ergo Fluffy is a liar. End of.

I don't know any of you in real life, so no conflict of interest.

Anonymous said...

anyone can see it cached on google

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:BFzukCzNV70J:www.admissionsforum.net/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D2359%26sid%3D075b548d7ae94603f826c95e88f53d7b+fluffy+spider_monkey+merys&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:XYO9qDHstngJ:www.admissionsforum.net/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D2359%26start%3D15%26sid%3D075b548d7ae94603f826c95e88f53d7b+fluffy+spider_monkey+merys&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=uk

Nice comment from Kelly at the bottom there!

Merys said...

look fluffy, I removed my comment from this thread as I was ashamed the way it had degenerated. However, please do not drag my name through the mud. I have no means of contacting HP these days, and certainly have better things to do with my time that go crying to other bloggers that I'm in a debate with someone on a forum.
I didnt launch an attack on spidermonkey, I defended myself. Spidermonkey and I actually spent a while exchanging private IMs after that while I was working a night shift, so I would hardly call it launching an attack.

fluffy said...

Then post them... I've nothing to hide. Send the links to Hannah too - if she deems fit, she can reinstate the content I guess...

As I said everyone has differing opinions - it's a fact of life... It doesn't mean you have to get nasty with it...

fluffy said...

And I stopped posting on that thread as it was getting personal, nasty, no good was coming of it and it was taking away from the point of the thread - to advertise the Imperial thing...

Anonymous said...

>>As I said everyone has differing opinions - it's a fact of life... It doesn't mean you have to get nasty with it...

Great advice Fluffy. You should take heed of it sometime.

Anonymous said...

Can I post:

http://www.medical-student.co.uk/issues/current/files/December2007Page%203.pdf

Dec issue page 3.

Terrible welfare officer...

Anonymous said...

why are you posting that link as anonymous, fluffy?

Conkers said...
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Anonymous said...

Thanks Hannah, it appears you have a very healthy outlook but unfortunately Fluffy does not. I'm not sure how you don't see this? If I were you I'd suggest she is removed from the forum for her own mental health and the good of the forum.

If you want helpful people there, you need to stop them being insulted and turned away by your regulars.

Anonymous said...

by the by Hannah, the thread Fluffy deleted wasn't the one where amdsweb was insulted.

That was a completely different thread.

The one Fluffy deleted was the one where she and Lana said they wouldn't get out of bed for a prestigious prize.

Anonymous said...

I agree with amdsweb above where he says certain people, ie the bullies and self-importants, should be ignored.

However I also think we should make more effort to stand up for the bullied.

It's all very well Hannah saying what she said, but exactly what effort has she made to apologise to or call back the helpful people who were turned away from her forum by the nasty bullying comments from regulars? So we'll all 'move on' but in fact Fluffy et al will continue to snipe and bully, whilst helpful people will continue to be turned away. How is this a good thing?

You can't take the moral high ground unless you do the right thing.

All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing

etc etc

Former Reader said...

What an absolute cunt.

No, not Alex. YOU. You blog your opinions pseudonymously, but when it comes to someone who writes something you disagree with, you don't hesitate to out them.

Prick.

Anonymous said...

actually 'former reader' the majority of Dr Rant team members' real identities are well known amongst the medical and blogging communities.

If Dr Rant were to ever wilfully misrepresent the profession in the national press, I'm sure there would be people ready and willing to out him/them.

Simple, innit?

Dr Rant said...

Good riddance fucktard!

Conkers said...

Crikey .. and it goes on!

I hardly think this matter constitutes 'evil' .. if it does for you, anonymous, then you live in a sheltered world!

I don't know what you mean by 'calling back the people who have been bullied'. This is a forum. I'm not a teacher in a playground.

Similiarly not sure what you mean by members being 'turned away' ?? I've never 'turned' anyone away, but I have banned about three people in 9 years ... is that what you're referring to?

And I don't see why I should apologise for postings on my forum which were not written by me. I've made my position clear. I've taken action and unlike everyone else here, I've done this privately without outing anyone by name (and I have nothing to lose so naming someone would be no skin off my back. However it's just not professional or constructive to do so. You're all baying for blood? Carry on baying).

I have done what my conscience dictates and I feel fine with the action I've taken. If you feel bullied (on the forum) you need to let me know, when and why. This is what normally happens. Then I take appropriate action if required. I can't do something about things I haven't been told about. I am neither telepathic nor miraculous! Just a normal person trying to help out some younger people (less bitter, less cynical, who are actually interested in some of the topics on the forum) do what they want to do.

If you really have an issue with the forum or with me, then I'd expect you to tell me honestly using your name ... Hard to respond to someone who's anonymous.

ben said...

Hannah/Conkers

You're assuming we know something about your forum. I'd guess most people don't, but are judging it on what they've heard and read here from both members and moderators. Which let's face it, isn't good.

I don't know the first thing about you and your forum, I'm just a casual Dr Rant reader. But I can't deny that I don't like what I've seen and heard. If all was well there wouldn't be such a furore.

FWIW, and if whats posted here has any accuracy, I *do* know the person mentioned above who posted in the GP forum at DNUK saying to lay off Lana, so I'll ask her in person about your forum when I next see her, as well as having a read for myself

In the meantime I hope things settle down both here and there.
Best wishes

amdsweb said...

Anonymous said:

"It's all very well Hannah saying what she said, but exactly what effort has she made to apologise to or call back the helpful people who were turned away from her forum by the nasty bullying comments from regulars?"

To be honest, it isn't up to Hannah to apologise for the actions of some of the forum members. She is the forum administrator not the members' mother.

And she has been in contact with me. She certainly has nothing to apologise to me for, and she has been proactive about dealing with the situation (without fanfare or big announcement, which wouldn't help anyone).

Seriously, I don't think it is fair to blame the forum admins for the actions of others, especially when somebody is running the forum for the benefit of others (with no personal reward).

Anonymous said...

Totaly true admsweb. With the one exception that Hannah has the 'power' to choose who has the ability to moderate and delete threads on her forum, and general concensus here at least is that Fluffy is an inappropriate choice of moderator, tells lies and cannot be trusted.

Conkers said...

Thank you amdsweb and Ben for your supportive comments. Anyone who would like to actually check out the mostly incredibly innocent activity which forms admissionsforum, you are welcome to do so. You don't even have to join.

www.admissionsforum.net

As for the comments about the moderator, that's one view. But you are basing your view of one person on what you have seen and read here - surely it would not be right for me to act on that information alone?

My opinion on what happened is a private matter which, as I say, I have discussed with the moderator concerned. I am happy with the outcome. I do not feel the need to 'punish' this person further. You say that the 'general concensus (sic) on here is that .. is an inappropriate choice of moderator..'. If I based my decisions on the comments of a few comments (some of which are clearly made rashly) on another forum, would that really be a wise thing to do?

The moderator concerned has explained their actions to me. I am comfortable with this. I do not feel that anyone has been seriously maimed or injured by what has taken place. The one event about which I felt very uncomfortable has been discussed and dealt with by the three parties concerned.

In my role as forum owner I tend towards the forgiving side. It would be nice if more people did so - we're all human and everyone makes mistakes. It's really not a big deal - these are just discussion groups! Get over it, as they say :) There really are much more important things to worry about - especially in medicine.

Peace.

Anonymous said...

Peace... long live Lana and Fluffy...

Anonymous said...

yeah and long live nasty backstabbing shits who slander our profession?

Conkers said...
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lah1348 said...

I know her, shes on the same med course...she's not at lectures very often and is failing her exams so don't think she'll be 'entitled' to write about medicine much longer...

Dr Rant said...

Bugger me!

Haven't got a clue what most of that was about, but I enjoyed the argy-bargy!

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

What great professional values we can all see on this thread.

I'm quite looking forward to the government cutting you GP's down to size if this is an example of your behaviour.

brambo of DNUK said...

Well, brave 'anonymous' you may reflect upon your statement once the whole profession is so politically dumbed down, de-manned and neutered you will have to pay through the nose to see a real doctor when you most need to. As for the 'spiderwankress' ingenue and the rest of the Quisslings or 'useful fools' who can't seem to see much beyond their own self-serving interests, re,member, we have long memories and may be on your appointments /CEA award panels in the future...

Dr Blue said...

I wonder if Alex Thomas really wants a career in medicine.

I think she's had a previous career. ("something in the city") And I don't know many second/third year medical students who'd write what she does, either because they are tactful, or because it's not really what concerns them most at that stage of medicine.

I cannot help suspecting Alex Thomas is a somewhat older student, and maybe has an eye on (New Labour)politics or journalism as a career.

I may be wrong...time, or maybe the lady herself, will tell.

Anonymous said...

Really brambo?

I'm sure the GMC would LOVE to see you threatening someones career in that manner.
Hardly good medical practice is it?

Oh how brave you are, how professional, how trustworthy, how we can look up to you acting in such a manner.
What standing you must have in your community?

Anonymous said...

http://www.findasitter.net/Sitter_detail.asp?ref=bGFuYWlubG9uZG9uQHlhaG9vLmNvLnVr

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with Brambo.

These jumped up little twats might think they're clever, but come the day they want a job / research funding / exit exam, they'd better hope there's nobody on the panel who remembers them as the obnoxious spider_monkey or the spiteful Fluffy.

Fluffy posted on admissionsforum that she thinks anonymous internet posters are 'internet ghosts and morons.' I'm gobsmacked that she doesn't realise who we really are. Really gobsmacked.

I believe she (or maybe someone she knows) has previously been in the position where internet postings have come back and bitten them on the arse, but STILL she persists in being a sneaky spiteful sanctimonious piece of work.

For the last time Fluffy - Royal Colleges have internet. Deaneries have internet. Your tutors have internet. And when we tell you to stop being a twat, it's for your own good, not ours.

Your twattiness may well be a source of amusement for us, but it isn't going to do YOU any favours. It makes you look like a tit.

Anonymous said...

>>I'm staying out of this.

Hannah, you're the one who gives Fluffy free reign to post nasty comments then delete whole threads complete with their useful posts, to cover her steps. You can't stay out of it. You're a central part of it. Why can't you see this?

TotallyBushed said...

A doctor writes:

How frightfully depressing? And I'm not entirely talking about Lana Williams piece in the Guardian. It's all of these people... now get me a bucket.

I imagine the comments on this thread are but a microcosm of the self-important posturings these saddos make throughout the social/ethical and moral vacuum of interweb. This gang of malcos, wind-up merchants, self-regarding and self-aggrandising cumrags will probably be the ones negotiating our future butt-stabbing contracts and selling our principles to the highest bidder. As they are also the only ones lazy but Narcicisstic enough to become medical politicians.

The preceeding comments fill me with an urge to gargle habenero sauce, chew my hands off in frustration and suck on the stumps. We're all doomed, as patients and doctors, if we don't weed out such irritatingly juvenile bum snot as these.

As for Lana Williams and her pseudonym. Well if you use a national organ to blow unresearched, opinionated shite all over your hard-working contemporaries and superiors then you better be ready for an informed backlash. Please crawl back to your corporate hole or publish something that stands up to criticism.

As for the rest...Dr Rant please make them stop. My eyes are bleeding.

Anonymous said...

totallybushed (whose writing style I *think* I recognise) should write for Dr Rant. He's good.

(or she's good, if I'm worng)

TotallyBushed said...

I just googled myself to see what would happen. Who would have thought there's at least one other person with my pseudonym? And some much more prolific than I!

The internet has it's values but hijacking an interesting thread with turgid back-and-forth personalisms that are nauseatingly trite and not even remotely funny is by far my biggest bug-bear.

Thanks "anonymous". And you are half right. But probably not the half you're thinking.

Anonymous said...

you're a hermaphrodite who already writes for Dr Rant?

Actually I though I recognised your eloquent prose too. From dnuk

Anonymous said...

has this post attracted as many comments as nurse ratchet's damning account of quinsy yet?

am I a sad case for remembering that? as I recall it was the day several new medical blogs were created. an 'istorical day in the blogosphere.

Anonymous said...

Nurse Ratchet and her comments are gone, but Dr Rant covered it in brief:
http://www.drrant.net/2006/10/nurse-ratchet-takes-kicking.html

Dr Rant said...

I have great pleasure in informing you all that the delightful 'Nurse Ratchet' has recently become the 4th 'Mrs Mustard'.

They're on honeymoon as I write.

Anonymous said...

To quote la Fluffy, D.Phil.:

"What narrow minded, moronic bullies. I hope idiots like those who have posted are proud of themselves - having highligted themselves (or not - anonomous chickens and graduates of Durham!!! A little revenge outting has crossed my mind, but I'm above that!) as pathetic bully boys who would rather pick on someone who doesn't conform to their narrow minded view than engage. "

Yep, covering yourself in glory there. Well done.

Anonymous said...

Bully boys eh?

Perhaps she doesn't realise there are plenty narrow minded, moronic ladies in the internet. Perhaps even on the Dr Rant team. And definitely amongst her future employers and mentors.

Well done Fluffy D.Phil

DrG said...

I like Dr Rant and I agree that the Guardian piece was twatty,

but it's slightly disturbing how sexual a lot of the abuse about Alex/Lana has been here, not just "hormones" and "silly cow" but also eg the extended swallowing metaphor.

"Next time Alex I suggest that you check what's between your lips before you gobble it down."

I really don't know about that Dr Rant.

This is a young looking girl and you're, like, an old man.

Pete said...

Perhaps she's found her chosen career already:

http://www.findasitter.net/Sitter_detail.asp?ref=bGFuYWlubG9uZG9uQHlhaG9vLmNvLnVr

TroutGrrl said...

http://sc.tri-bit.com/Image:greaterinternetfuckwadtheory.jpg

Pete said...

Boo, it looks like her babysitting link's been deleted. End of a promising career!

Pete said...

http://www.findasitter.net/Sitter_detail.asp?ref=bGFuYWlubG9uZG9uQHlhaG9vLmNvLnVr

Not gone after all!

Anonymous said...

lol, if she's deleted that she must be watching us

[waves to Lana Williams AKA Alex Thomas AKA spider_monkey]

DrG said...

So, like I said, her article was irritating, but basically you're kind of stalking a teenager now.

Anonymous said...

teenager? Who had a job in the city before entering medicine?

So at best she is probably mid to late twenties...

Anonymous said...

As a final year who'd been through the mill a few times I used to post on Admissions Forum, thinking I might be of some help to those lower down the system, until I got sick and tired of the attitude of a vociferous handful who's opinions and confidence far exceeded their experience. Interesting thing is that was aroud 2000/2001, seems it hasn't changed over the years!

As Lana/alex/spider monkey has promoted her own articles in the past I don't see why all the outrage at naming her, she named herself! If you want to remain anonymous don't go around saying "Look what I wrote!"

Anonymous said...

on 07.05.05 Lana Williams told DNUK that she was 29 and still living in halls:

http://www.doctors.net.uk/forum/viewpost.aspx?post_id=2241437

(non doctors shouldn't be able to access this link)

Anonymous said...

anon January 26:

I had the same experience 2 or 3 years ago at admissionsforum. There was a really helpful SpR who answered loads of questions and gave loads of helpful advice. But the admissionsforum moderators didn't like him for some reason (?jealousy) and kept making nasty comments and deleting his posts. He gave them chance to apologise but they chose to ban him instead. Not exactly convering themselves in glory now or then, so it will probably never change.

Anonymous said...

"on 07.05.05 Lana Williams told DNUK that she was 29 and still living in halls:

http://www.doctors.net.uk/forum/viewpost.aspx?post_id=2241437

(non doctors shouldn't be able to access this link)"


That post was on 07.05.07, not 2005. So presumably that means she is now 29/30 now.

Anonymous said...

Still no apology or update from the delightful (not) Lana?

Poor show.

Anonymous said...

STILL no apology from Lana 'spider_monkey' Williams? Poor girl could at least have redeemed herself by showing her face.

And Joanne Fluffy 'why use one full stop when three will do...' Evans is back posting shit at admissionsforum without as much as an apology for her pitiful behaviour.

Shame on them.

Anonymous said...

Whilst I'm not claiming to know 'Fluffy' that well, or to have read many of her online posts, she is in my year on my course and so I like to feel I know her a little. All I can say is that I feel you are all being a little harsh. She has worked very hard as Welfare Officer at Barts, and always makes a lot of effort to help people. There are many many many other people in medical school who are not suitable for medicine, and Id much rather have Fluffy treat me than many of the others.

Anonymous said...

I am also in Fluffy's year. I have read this article and I used to frequent 'admissionsforum'. To be quite honest, the whole discussion (from Lana's article onwards) has left me depressed about the state of the medical profession which (based on this) seems to be full of horrid people from Medical Students up to whatever is the most senior 'rank' here. So many of the contributions have been unprofessional, I hope I never descend to the level of some of this discussion (perhaps I am by contributing...).

What's really a shame is that this discussion reflects badly on a profession which has so many great people, from Medical Students through to consultants who I look up to. Next time I am wondering whether medicine was really for me, this discussion might be what tips me over the edge in deciding that it really isn't for me. I came into medicine because (and I mean this so honestly that I hate that it is such a standard interview answer given by people with little thought or care) I had a passion and desire to use scientific knowledge to help people. That idea seems sacred to me yet is eroded every day by biggots I see who are in this either for their egos or for their paycheques.

I personally did not come here for money, I'd still want to do that job even if I had to live on a student loan for the rest of my life (as I am now). I can't understand how people can get so petty: Dr Rant, Lana, Fluffy, the BMA, REMEDY-UK, the Department of Health. Have I missed anyone out? Myself for writing all this. Perhaps that is what this profession does to us.

What happened to helping people? Putting the patient at the centre of all we do? We should all be ashamed of ourselves.

I believe in writing something positive for every negative thing I write so I will write this: Medicine can be so great: I have had the fortune of having so many inspiring teachers who have reminded me of why I am here. Invariably, these have been the ones who almost never get involved in such negative discussions and beam with positivity when around patients and colleagues. Something we should all aspire to perhaps? Life is so shit at times, but we can each do something to make it that bit better and that is certainly not done by moaning about the pay of doctors who (relatively invariably - compared to other professions) are living comfortably by their 40s or by outing people on forums such as this. I for one hope that every day, what will be at the forefront of my mind is: how can I help my patients, friends and family.

Call me an idealist.

Dr Pink said...

I could call you an idealist, but since the Dr Rant team all entered medicine with exactly the same ideals, I think I'll call you 'inexperienced' instead.

Idealists burn out in the NHS. The people who survive are the ones that don't really give a shit about patients.

Do you think we'd all be wasting our time ranting on here if we were motivated by money? The Dr Rant team are really, really, really fucked off idealists.

And you almost certainly will be too in twenty years time.

The trick is just to survive while trying to help as many people as possible.

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