Comments on Dr Rant: How fucked up can NuLabour's doctor training get?

Whilst I agree that the system is poor at best and...

2008-04-02T11:16:00.000+01:00

Whilst I agree that the system is poor at best and that a lot of good docs got shafted last year, berating those who got the jobs is almost as retarded.

This year a lot less was given to white box creative writing and a lot more to concrete achievement. In the old system a lot less were unemployed as a result of an SHO being an SHO. If you could secure an SpR position you sould have to consdider an alternate career. The rebranding of SHOs and SpRs has created a 2-tier job structure of training and non-training. The latter is obvously far less appealing and thus docs are unwilling to take these through lack of security. The promise of RTT was the biggest problem as it shifted expecations. When you look at it they were essentially offerin CST as long as you didnt fuck it up. The fallout from last year is that nearly all appointed are run-through and hence NTNs have become somewhat saturated for a while.

Medical training has been dumbed down by way of assessment tools and competency based training. I feel that the responsibility for 'real' learning is placed on the trainee in the form of self funding for what is mandatory training e.g. ATLS. The funds tend to be allocated to pointless bollocks on becomming a professional colleage.

Get the retard's fingers out let surgeons train surgeons, and medics train medics.

Junior doctor, Of course 'some' excellent doctors ...

2008-03-31T23:10:00.000+01:00

Junior doctor, Of course 'some' excellent doctors got jobs in round 1 of MTAS but, as Dr Rant says, other equally excellent doctors did not and are now ruined because of the grosse failure of a system that was unable to identify and select those equally excellent doctors. Instead, jobs were dished out to undeserving, not-very-good doctors who paid 400 pounds to have their MTAS applications filled professionally! If that won't have an impact on patient care for years and years, as Dr Rant says, I don't know what will!

Please remember that, regrdless of hether you are good or not so good, you could've been one of hose who losr out, that you didn't, is because you were 'lucky' playing the lottery!

Badly worded indeed Dr Rant. Many junior docs of e...

2008-03-31T18:08:00.000+01:00

Badly worded indeed Dr Rant. Many junior docs of exceptional quality were turned down in the first round of MTAS and got their interviews and job offers only after it was scrapped.This was a workforce planning mess of the worst order and those responsible have never been called to account

@Junior doctor."Worst" may be an overstatement, bu...

2008-03-31T17:54:00.000+01:00

@Junior doctor.

"Worst" may be an overstatement, but your lot last year certainly weren't the "best" we could have got when everyone knows how badly the selection process performed.

Did you feel agrieved when told your a-levels were also easier? :-)

Junior Doctor,Perhaps badly worded (but then, it i...

2008-03-31T13:11:00.000+01:00

Junior Doctor,

Perhaps badly worded (but then, it is Dr RANT...).

However, since the selection process was seriously flawed, scored doctors on their ability at Buzz Word Bullshit and ignored training, experience, and skill, I think it is a reasonable statement to make.

In many cases shit doctors got jobs while excellent doctors got scrapped.

The downside of this is threefold:

1, Patient care is damaged for years to come.

2. Excellent doctors had their careers ruined.

3. Good doctors who did get jobs had their image devalued because of the dumbing down of the whole system.

So yes, is is insulting. Sadly, it is a true reflection of the process. So you were insulted by the government, not by Dr Rant.

Fucked off? You should be.

"worst doctors getting the best jobs while the bes...

2008-03-31T12:13:00.000+01:00

"worst doctors getting the best jobs while the best doctors got the boot"

really? inaccurate, ill informed,and insulting to those who are now working in the fucked up situation you describe.

In December 2007 at the Common Health Committee he...

2008-03-31T11:37:00.000+01:00

In December 2007 at the Common Health Committee hearings, the problem of vacancies caused by doctors completing their training at various times throughout the year was raised. It was bound to cause problems with the rigid system caused by a single entry date into training, and this problem was likely to become more and more severe as the year progressed.

Another 3 months goes by and further inaction from the idiots at the DoH. When will they learn?